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Stephen King: Wikipedia references messed up

Updated Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:33:21 GMT

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pak21

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Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:33:21 GMT

The Wikipedia references here are a bit of a mess :-) The document is the "Richard Bachman" article (one of King's pseudonyms), whereas the numeric Wikipedia key is that for the "Stephen King in popular culture" article.

The actual "Stephen King" article does exist on Wikipedia (/guid/9202a8c04000641f80000000000356a0), but this has the numeric WP key referring to the "Stephen King in popular culture" article (5687960). The correct WP key is 26954.

Leaving this for someone who understands what's going on here to sort out :-)

Dolores Claiborne: Don't merge

Updated Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:13:14 GMT

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pak21

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Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:13:14 GMT

One of these is about the book, the other about the film. However, the book topic has acquired the IMDB key which will need moving.

Person: Children should have 'gender' as a disambiguator field thingy

Updated Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:05:17 GMT

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doconnor

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Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:05:17 GMT

If I'm adding a kid, it's now asking me for date of birth, country, etc. Why not gender too?

General Support: Header Image not shown properly

Updated Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:18:39 GMT

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pak21

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Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:45:57 GMT

Getting a bit technical here...

Looking at the header image used for my ZX Spectrum base, I note that superalecf explicitly linked it to have a CC-by license on 1 July, which will be why that doesn't get reduced.

Playing around on sandbox, it looks like the client isn't asserting a CC-by license for newly uploaded images via the edit base page, which it possibly should be.

Frank, if you're happy to mark your image as being CC-by licensed, run this query which I think will solve your issue.

jdouglas

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Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:49:03 GMT

Sorry about all this... it was actually a mistake.  This image policy change was only supposed to be for images uploaded by Metaweb staff... not all uploaded images.  We'll get that fixed. 

In the meantime, I do believe pak21's query will fix the problem.

frankschloeffel

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Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:18:39 GMT

no worries...I tried both, I run the query as suggested by pak21 and I uploaded a header image with a slightly modified filename. The query did no fix the problem.

Also, I the image was showing as a thumbnail in the sandbox. Mmmh... Just let me know when you will get that fixed.

 

best regards,

 

Frank

General Support: how to delete a type

Updated Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:14:51 GMT

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georgethomas

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Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:39:09 GMT

Add details so you can get help as quickly as possible.
sprocketonline

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Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:14:51 GMT

Do you mean removing a type from a topic?

If so click on 'add facts' on the top right of the topic view page.  This gets you to the edit page.

Scroll down and click 'x' at the top right corner of the type box.

Alternatively, if you mean deleting a type entirely then go to the schema view e.g. http://www.freebase.com/type/schema/user/georgethomas/default_domain/strategy

and at the top right, next to the title of the type you should see a 'delete' link. 

Transportation: Transit Stop Service Hours

Updated Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:00:35 GMT

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sprocketonline

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Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:43:55 GMT

I guess the idea of the visible timestamp is some sort of way of letting people know the "data might not be accurate - so don't go planning your trips based on this"?

It still wouldn't help with emergency closures or last minute changes of time.  You'd still need a disclaimer; and I see this is already provided by section #18 of the TOS.

The timestamp would just add clutter and complexity. 

robert

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Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:35:18 GMT

No, the timestamp is says when the data was last edited, but when it was last confirmed to be correct.  If it was in the recent past, then it's safer.  If a long time ago, then much less so.

It also signals to the community when it might make sense to confirm and possibly correct the data.  

For example, if the data was bulk loaded 2 years before (when the timestamp was set), it's unlikely to be accurate unless somebody looked at it.   If somebody did look at it the month before, it has a much higher chance of being usable.

Without the timestamp, there is little confidence at all when the data can be used. In that case, I wonder if it even makes sense to load it as it will mostly be ignored in practice.

sprocketonline

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Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:00:35 GMT

Ah, I see - if data was uploaded 2 years ago and then checked again yesterday and found accurate the timestamp will still show 2 years ago.  Yesterday's check will be unknown to us as accurate data does not require any changes - and only changes leave new timestamps.

This is common to all data which may change in time, not just transport timetables.  e.g. a check to see if someone is still alive or if Pluto is recategorised, or a reinterpretation of historical events based on new research.

It's part of a bigger discussion of confidence in data, related closely to that of verification of data from verifiable sources.

Royalty and Nobility: Adding a CVT between Monarch and Kingdom

Updated Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:07:39 GMT

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skud

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Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:22:51 GMT

I'm planning to add a CVT between Monarch and Kingdom to capture the dates of the reigns.  Originally there were from/to dates on "Monarch" but these properties are currently hidden, as they don't really work well for complicated such as James I of England/James VI of Scotland where one monarch rules different kingdoms at different times.

This change will break applications/views that rely on that schema, but as I don't think there are many using it, I don't think it's a particularly high impact change.  Unless anyone squeals, I'll do it next week sometime.

sprocketonline

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Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:19:07 GMT

I agree with the CVT.

Also I think Monarch should have 'Noble Person' as an included type.

sprocketonline

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Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:07:39 GMT

Noticed I had become an admin. Thanks skud!

I added Noble Person as an included type to Monarch - it's a nonbreaking minor change.

Architectural style: Phylogeny (derived styles and derived from)

Updated Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:47:13 GMT

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sprocketonline

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Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:45:28 GMT

Could I propose for the addition of a phylogeny pattern on the Architectural style type?  This would be an property named "Derived styles" expecting a type of "Architectural style", and a reciprocated property named "Derived from".

I once saw an amazing graphic by Charles Jencks (can't find it on the intertubes unfortunately) showing Le Corbusier's change in architectural style through his career, and how each style evolved into the next style.  It would be great to get that sort of evolution of architectural style modelled on freebase.

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Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:47:13 GMT

Computer Games: Virtual Console vs. Wii

Updated Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:16:51 GMT

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drakecaiman

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Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:01:56 GMT

Thought I'd make a suggestion about this:

  1. A new type, something along the lines of Computer Game Distribution Channel/Method/etc., for services like Steam, XBox Live, WiiWare, etc. 
  2. A new property for Computer Game Version, "Distributed through"
  3. Removing the Computer Game Platform from Virtual Console and the like and using Computer Game Distribution Channel, instead.
I think this would be a better representation of these topics than the current Computer Game Platform model (which I suspect is due to importing from Wikipedia.)
vtalwar

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Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:02:05 GMT

+1

drakecaiman

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Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:16:51 GMT

Just to give everyone a heads up, I've begun modeling a type for distribution systems (mailing list thread here) and have a prototype up in the sandbox:

http://www.sandbox-freebase.com/view/cvg/computer_game_distribution_system

Let me know if you have any suggestions. I'll probably move it over this weekend. 

deleteme: Thanks for your Freebase Typewriter votes

Updated Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:16:01 GMT

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skud

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Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:47:50 GMT

Oops, too many tabs open at once!  I mean to say, "Hi deleteme" but got confused :-/  My apologies.

K.

deleteme

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Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:07:47 GMT

Hi skud,

Yeah, I am subscribed to the freebase blog and started playing with the typewriter app. It's a clever way encourage crowdsource behavior.

Personally, I can only stand to do a small handful of them before I get tired of it.

Here is a suggestion:

If Freebase is trying to get a large chunk of data (books/authors) analyzed by people using Typewriter, it would be encouraging to have a progress bar showing how close Freebase is to having the data set analyzed. It could be a big picture thing, kinda like how Wikipedia asks for donations and will show how much money they still need, or it could be smaller, instead showing how much further a person needs to go before they overtake the person in front of them.

I am in love with the concept behind Freebase and would like to submit a few use cases and some deficiencies I've experienced with the service. Who could I send this to or where would the best place be post?

sprocketonline

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Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:16:01 GMT

Hi deleteme, you're doing good on the typewriter game - keep up the great work.

The progress bar would be simple enough, (I think - not that I'm the developer!) - I'd guess it would show the number of books still to go in typewriter, against the total count of all books.

Are you on the data-modellers or developers email lists?  Quite a lot of things get discussed there.  Also, the feedback form can be found at http://www.freebase.com/site/feedback

Computer Games: Computer Game Version from CVT to Standard

Updated Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:00:32 GMT

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jeff

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:57:43 GMT

I think it makes sense; it would bring the Computer Game/Release model more into line with the Book/Book Edition and Album/Release models.

pak21

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Fri, 03 Jul 2009 08:11:30 GMT

I've no problem with moving Computer Game Version from a CVT to a normal topic (one other advantage would be that we could lose the slightly hacky "Version specific name" field from Computer Game Version), but I think that potential co-typing with Software could open a fairly large can of worms. We've essentially got two parallel sets of types for modelling some of this, one in /cvg and one in /computer: compare Compare Game Developer and Software Developer, release dates on both Computer Game (Version) and Software, and Computer Game Platform and Operating System are also very similar. How are we going to handle the almost-but-not-quite duplicated data this could produce?

drakecaiman

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Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:00:32 GMT

You're right, there is quite a bit of overlap. I was just throwing out some possibilities. Personally, I'm not as worried about co-typing with "Software" as I am with "Consumer product".

rollie08: Getting to this page

Updated Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:38:14 GMT

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sprocketonline

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:47:26 GMT

Rollie, I've taken the final communications transcript and changed it into structured data - which is what freebase is best used for.  If you take a look at http://www.freebase.com/edit/topic/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000000b195248

you will see that I've created a type called Air Traffic Communication Transcript.  I've started transcribing the dialogue to get you started.

I've added speaker, time, latitude, longitude and elevation fields which can be filled in against each piece of dialogue.  This sort of structured data has many benefits over plain text.

Let me know if you have any questions, and do keep up the good work.

rollie08

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:51:49 GMT

That's fine. Do you want to pull the text on flight communications? If so, please give me time to find a new home for the data. I am trying to find a professional looking site to put eyewitness accounts on with links to and from FreeBase instead of your text areas. Perhaps a personal website to hold what is becoming massive information. It appears text will not work well on FreeBase and I don't want to use Wkipedia at this time. However, Freebase has sections that I need so I want to continue using it.

sprocketonline

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Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:38:14 GMT

No, not at all - the flight communications transcript is outstanding work.  I'd just like to represent the text in a complementary way as structured data.  So then you can have both the raw text in the description, and also fill out the fields for the Air Traffic Communication Transcript type.

Computer: Input Method applies only to Musical Games?

Updated Fri, 03 Jul 2009 08:02:40 GMT

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drakecaiman

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:16:21 GMT

Maybe we can cut out the Input Device type altogether and just use Computer Peripheral, since I can now think of a few devices that are supported by games and aren't input devices, like the Game Boy Printer, the Rumble Pak and Rock Band Stage Kit.

vtalwar

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:24:52 GMT

Good call, I think we could use some pruning. There's little left to be done, then. These changes can go live right away without affecting much:

  1. Rename Input Method to Input Device
  2. Move Input Device to /computer [postponed]
  3. Have Input Device inlude Computer Peripheral
  4. Computer Game and  Computer Game Version acquire a new "Peripherals Supported" property (or some similar name), which links to a list of Computer Peripheral topics
  5. Peripheral is used for things like printer, scanner
  6. Input Device is used for input Peripherals like mouse or joystick or guitar controller
  7. Peripheral gets a new "instances" property which links to topics of type Peripheral, creating a phylogeny pattern
  8. Unique input devices, like the EyeToy, would both be an Input Device and  an "instance" of the webcam Input Device
pak21

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Fri, 03 Jul 2009 08:02:40 GMT

If we're doing this, it would presuambly make sense to at least deprecate the "Games Using This" property which currently exists on Input Method, which would make Input Method (de facto) a propertyless type.

At this point, should we be considering the complete removal of the Input Method type? It seems to me that could then just be handled by the phylogeny pattern:Gun Con 3 is an instance of Gun Con is an instance of Light gun is an instance of Input Device, or is that taking things too far?

Foul: Don't merge

Updated Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:53:29 GMT

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tfmorris

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Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:53:29 GMT

This topic is specifically about football (soccer) fouls, not the generic foul that it's proposed for merger with (another case of losing important information from Wikipedia parentheticals).

bgood: hello

Updated Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:30:37 GMT

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spencermountain

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:31:56 GMT

bgood, you rule!

welcome to freebase. import that crazy government thing!

let me know if i can help, theres tons of work to be done around here.

cheers.

bgood

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Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:30:37 GMT

hey, thanks!  nice introduction - you rule too!

Moonwalker: Split

Updated Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:38:58 GMT

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drakecaiman

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Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:38:58 GMT

Split Album from Film

Super Mario Bros.: Split

Updated Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:11:59 GMT

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drakecaiman

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Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:11:59 GMT

Split album from film

Trans World Airlines Flight 128 Crash: Chris Haile

Updated Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:02:53 GMT

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rollie08

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:02:53 GMT

Chris.. thanks for contributing to the website. Please feel free to add whatever you wish about yourself, Eileen, and your parents or anyone else you may have information about concerning this event. That's exactly the way the website is designed to work and I appreciate your interest.

Notable person with medical condition: cvt

Updated Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:09:13 GMT

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spencermountain

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:09:13 GMT

hey, eventually how bout a cvt that also connects to medical treatment.

i tried doing this here... but its pretty lousy. 

Book: Book composition

Updated Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:06:53 GMT

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sprocketonline

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:49:01 GMT

I'm not too familiar with this schema, but is there currently a way of modelling books which are composed of collections of short stories, complete works and the like?  i.e. a written work which is comprised of multiple written works?

jeff

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:06:53 GMT

Such a work is a Publication, which contains Published Works.  See F&SF April 2007 for an example in the wild. This model is pretty underutilized, since there aren't really a lot of sources for this data, and all the automated loads done in the publishing commons have been at the top level, rather than at the contents level.

Medicine: med treatment

Updated Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:04:28 GMT

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bgood

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:42:54 GMT

The medical treatment type seems a bit under-specified to me.  

 As skud says, there are certainly substances that are drugs that shouldn't be called medical treatments, but even drugs that are often used to treat illness aren't medical treatments all by themselves.  

For a drug to be a medical treatment, I'd say you need to indicate additional properties like required dose.  Depending on this and other properties the same drug could be a medical treatment, a poison, or a recreational drug.  

faye

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:15:33 GMT

Sigh, dosage. Frankly, the challenge there is not schema or data, but accuracy and completeness. Side effects and warnings would need to be modeled before dosage could be responsibly posted. Even then, it's "x or as prescribed by your physician", and that's not even taking into consideration what other drugs a person may be taking. When it comes down to it, dosage is not a universal hard fact as it is a personal situation kind of data.

Included type can be removed from individual instances. Sure, not 100% of drugs are medical treatments, but not 100% of visual artists are human either. In that case, the included type that doesn't apply can be removed.

bgood

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:04:28 GMT

ok, sure, i see what you are saying.  Sorry to cause you to sigh ;)..

I was thinking of a more detailed use case than maybe is appropriate?

I was thinking about modeling a medical treatment in the case of a clinical trial - in that case it would be very important to capture things like dosage and all the information should be both static "facts" and readily accessible. 

Faceted Browsing: cashing errors

Updated Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:20:21 GMT

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polojan

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:16:10 GMT

Thanks, for the quick response. However, when I click "Refresh cache", this has no effect. The source code only shows : "
class="refreshCache"
rel="nofollow"
href="javascript:void(0);">Refresh cache |
"

so, I guess it's disabled (at least for me or my user rights)?

pak21

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:03:03 GMT

It should work; I assume there's an onclick handler on the a node which fires off an XMLHttpRequest, but I haven't actually fired up my network analyzer to check.

All that option is doing is  using the /api/service/touch service provided by Freebase, so it's not a user permissions issue.
skud

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:20:21 GMT

Hey polojan,

If you're talking about the topic counts that show up  when you click on the "schema" tab, those are updated nightly.  It's slow to run, so we have a process that updates the counts every so often, rather than trying to do it on the fly.

 If types that you can see in your Schema tab are missing from the  views on the base homepage, I'd check a) are they on the "all views" page and just need to be "featured"? b) are they CVTs?  CVTs don't have a view created on the homepage by default.

To confirm what pak21 said: clicking "refresh cache" in the dev toolbar will just access the touch API using javascript; you don't see anything on the page, but it does happen.

Music: TV series and TV program subject(s)

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skud

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:25:09 GMT

Did we ever really resolve this?

gmackenz

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:27:23 GMT

It's still just a thought, a good one I think.

jeff

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:23:10 GMT

I'd like to get some more opinions on this, since there are several type structures with a similar pattern (genres being the main one), so I'm going to ask the data-modelers' list.

TV: Might want to add location for TV Program

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gmackenz

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:45:15 GMT

Quick in dirty first pass (which will last until July 7th, 2009):

http://www.sandbox-freebase.com/edit/topic/en/romeo_must_die

sprocketonline

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:03:04 GMT

Good idea Gordon, but I think the schema could do with some tweaks.

I would rename "representational filming location" to "Represented location in film" or perhaps "Location represented in film" to make it a bit more obvious.  I'd reciprocate the link to that type from Filming location.

Filming location 'represents' shouldn't be unique.  For example, Basildon park was used for Pride & Prejudice and Marie Antoinette - two representations (one for a home in England, the other a palace in France). 

Would it not be better to have a CVT linking 'filming location', 'represented location' and 'film', so that a place which represents one location in one film, but another location in another film can be noted?

At the moment the disambiguation property on 'filming location' works for a unique, but doesn't for multiple.  The multiple represented locations will be shown on the topic page for every single film that was shot there, even if it wasn't relevant to that film.

jeff

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:19:56 GMT

Danm proposed something like this ages ago -- here's a table view of his model: Work of Fiction. I think it's a good model, but it never really went anywhere in part because no-one seemed interested in figuring out how it related to the existing commons Work of Fiction type (if at all).

Transportation: Adjoining stations

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doconnor

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:26:55 GMT

+1 from me :D

jeff

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:52:33 GMT

I'll slap together a model on sandbox, so people can see what it looks like.

jeff

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:31:33 GMT

OK, it's up. 

Here's Adelaide Railway Station, a terminus for several lines. (Note that three lines share one of the adjacent stations.*)

Here's a midpoint station that is on three lines, each of which have the same two adjacent stops.

And here's a midpoint station on three lines, which share one adjacent stop but which start to diverge in the other direction.

*I've modeled this by making the "transit line" property non-unique. It could also be done by making the property unique, and therefore always requiring separate entries for each line.

Film genre: Genre vs subject

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drakecaiman

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Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:29:15 GMT

The convention for video games seems to be that genre refers to the gameplay (shooter, strategy, role-playing, etc.)

alexander

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Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:44:10 GMT

I'm probably going overboard here, but a while ago I was thinking about a deeper schema for categorizing games at http://www.freebase.com/type/schema/base/adventures/adventure_game and created properties for Perspective (first person, third person, top-down, isometric, etc.), Graphics (text, 2D, 3D), and Theme/Subject (karate, pirates, urban planning, etc.). Not here yet is a way to talk about talk about the Temporal element (real time, turn-based, etc.). Genre would then be left for the usual small set of gameplay styles: strategy, shooter, puzzle, etc.

drakecaiman

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:56:45 GMT

I think there's value in including a way to model the perspective and graphic type of a game. The question is whether those should be a part of genre or made their own property/properties. The way I see it so far:

  • Limit genre to definitions of gameplay (RPG, RTS, etc.)
  • Limit subject to the themes, setting (sci-fi, high fantasy, western, etc.)
  • Make a new property (Computer Game Presentation) to include perspective and graphics type like those suggested by alexander
Time-based elements seem like they can be grouped in the gameplay property. Whether it's as a single topic ("real-time strategy") or separate ones ("real-time" and "strategy") is up to debated.

Medicine: infection

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spencermountain

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Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:09:00 GMT

hey faye great job, wanna reciprocate the property to infectious disease?

faye

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:35:25 GMT

Hi Spencer, sorry I didn't catch this until now.

Are you referring to your Infectious Disease type? I like it! I modeled something similar a long time ago but can't seem to find it anymore. One question: "vector" to me is a method of transmission; isn't it already covered by the "transmission" property?

I'd like to have Jeff take a look at it too. Once that happens and we've resolved the "vector" property discussion, I think we should promote it to the Medicine domain!

spencermountain

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:45:12 GMT

hey thanks faye,

 i like your idea about merging the vector and transmission properties..... let me sit on it for a day, then change it.

Anime/Manga: Game Book, and "sound drama" titles

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drakecaiman

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:53:31 GMT

I'm thinking about adding new properties to the Franchise type to include video games and novels tied to the franchise. Also, I think a property for the "sound drama" titles should be included, perhaps with a new type.

Anime/Manga: Neil or Lyle

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drakecaiman

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:38:41 GMT

Not sure what to do with this topic.

I've made a topic for the two different Lockon Stratoses (Neil and Lyle Dylandy), since this topic points to a wikipedia article that discussed both (and now is a part of a bigger Gundam 00 character page). The keys for this one include "/wikipedia/en/Lockon_Stratos", which I'd probably want to tie to the first Lockon (Neil), and "/wikipedia/en/Lyle_Dylandy", which should of course be tied to the second. The topic should be merged, but I'm just not sure to which one. Then again, since both wikipedia keys go to the same page now, it may not really matter.

Any ideas on the best practice for situations like this? 

Crime: Rename Police Department to Law Enforcement Authority

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sprocketonline

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:33:33 GMT

Rather than use "Police department", it might be better to use "Law enforcement authority" as it's more generic, and also expect a new "Law Enforcement" type (but keep Police Department as that's also relevant and has good properties - Police department should include Law Enforcement Authority). Law Enforcement Authority would cover crimes investigated by the likes of the CIA, FBI, Military security forces or the Naval forces catching pirates off Somalia a bit better.

spencermountain

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:14:13 GMT

great idea.

http://www.freebase.com/type/schema/base/crime/law_enforcement_authority

take a look. there is a good infobox law_enforcement_authority. (# of sworn members etc)...and remember, you are an admin here. :)

San Francisco: San Francisco Hotels

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:31:41 GMT

Galleria Park Hotel is located in the heart of downtown San Francisco. Just a few blocks from the fabulous world-renowned shopping of Union Square, Chinatown, the historic cable cars, the Financial District and the Moscone Convention Center. Adjacent to the hotel is Crocker Galleria Shopping & Dining; anchor stores of this 3-story complex include Polo Ralph Lauren, Malm Luggage, and many more.

Best Western Carriage Inn: Carriage Inn

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:19:00 GMT

The Best Western Carriage Inn is a San Francisco hotel located South of Market street in the SOMA district. Historically an industrial part of town, SOMA is now dotted with museums, independent bookstores, hip clubs and trendy restaurants.

Scholar360: Welcome

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sprocketonline

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:58:39 GMT

cgarland, I noticed that you'd added data to the Scholar360 article.

Thanks for your input, but I'd like to point out that Freebase is for structured data, and we would rather you fill in structured information about Scholar360 than write a long description - particularly if it the description appears to be and advertisment/marketing blurb.

To get you started contributing structured data I've typed the Scholar360 topic as a company, so you can now fill in the relevant fields on the topic.  You can also fill in data about products and product lines if you wish.

Thanks 

Faceted Browsing: n-ary relations

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polojan

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:51:39 GMT

As I understood Compound Types should be used to model n-ary relationships. I'd like to express that a certain browser has a certain feature and add more details about this relationship. E.g. if this counts for all facets, who can configure the feature, etc. Why do I have to restrict the properties of the compound type to "1"? E.g., I'd like to add more than one possible Actor to the relationship. One more related question: Is there a way to use a return/back property via this complex relationship that will show me all browsers supporting a certain feature? Unfortunatly I get a lot of errors, so that I cannot find out by trial.

Sports: Add Organization as included type

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tfmorris

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:33:32 GMT

I'm on the fence, but lean towards "no."  Many sports associations are amateur (although there are also a lot with professional administrators -- firmly on the fence)

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:26:35 GMT

I am a little confused about the Sports Association type. As instances we have organizations that organize individual competitions (PGA Tour), rather than for teams or leagues that I don't think we can define organizations (Serie A). Also we have two properties called Teams (one hidden), perhaps we can associate the two keys to the same property if we want keep both.

pak21

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:42:31 GMT

The problem is that the schema works only for something organised like one of the "Big 4" American sports. At the moment, Sports Association is the only way anything vaguely organisation like gets linked in from the sport topic itself (which is why we have things like the PGA Tour), and also the only thing which contains a list of teams (which is why we have things like Serie A). This works for (eg) the NFL, where the organising body is the same as the league, but doesn't for most other things.

IMO, the schema needs some serious rethinking applied to it, but I haven't yet even tried to come up with a solution...

General Support: Post request using JQuery??

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:29:19 GMT

JQuery.getJSON(...) uses GET method. Since my query is recursive and very long, it seems not working with GET method if depth of the recursive query is very long. So, I tried Jquery.post(...) like the following: jQuery.post("http://api.freebase.com/api/service/mqlread?callback=?", {query: JSON.stringify(envelope)}, callback, 'json'); but, it is not working. am I doing something wrong? any suggestion or solution? messy source code is available here: https://graphics.stanford.edu/~namwkim/freebase/js/genealogy.js Thanks!
tfmorris

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:36:55 GMT

I can't help with the POST vs. GET part of the question, but have you considered simplifying your query and doing it in pieces?  If the problem is that the query is timing out, I doubt that changing the way your submit it is going to help.

Also, you might consider posting your question to the developers list.  That tends to get viewed by more people. 

namwkim

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Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:13:59 GMT

Thanks for your advice!

Developer Support: Post request using JQuery??

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JQuery.getJSON(...) uses GET method. Since my query is recursive and very long, it seems not working with GET method if depth of the recursive query is very long. So, I tried Jquery.post(...) like the following: jQuery.post("http://api.freebase.com/api/service/mqlread?callback=?", {query: JSON.stringify(envelope)}, callback, 'json'); but, it is not working. am I doing something wrong? any suggestion or solution? messy source code is available here: https://graphics.stanford.edu/~namwkim/freebase/js/genealogy.js ** if there is no workaround, I might consider decomposing query into separate queries. Thanks!

Medicine: Medical test

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Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:18:48 GMT

I'm thinking of adding a new type to the medicine domain, /medicine/medical_test.

 This would be for the various tests that physicians and hospitals do in order to diagnose a disease, e.g., echocardiagram, stress echo, elevated CPK, etc. 

 Later, we might want to add a co-type of /medicine/medical_procedure, in order to connect one or more CPT codes to the test. Some medical procedure are diagnostic, some are more curative or palliative.

 We would presumably co-type /medicine/medical_treatment with /medicine/medical_procedure when we wanted to attach a CPT code or perhaps co-type all  /medicine/medical_treatment as /medicine/medical_procedure

mikeshwe

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Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:42:53 GMT

Actually, what would be better is to use /medicine/procedure for the CPT code and other procedure-related properties, and connect that to the symptom, like elevated CPK (for the CPK "procedure), or decreased LVEF (for the procedure echocardiogram)

faye

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:15:16 GMT

I like the idea for /medicine/medical_test: +1.

I disagree that /medicine/medical_test should be cotyped /medicine/medical_treatment. In fact, I think they're pretty much distinct: there are tests, and then there are treatments. Test are diagnositc tools, while treatments are or should be only used once there is a diagnosis.

Computer Games: Remakes and Expansions

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drakecaiman

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:45:37 GMT

I think that tying in remakes as versions is probably best for a comment of reasons, primarily for narrative reasons. It would group together releases that share the same story, fixing instances like MGS2's "Previous in narrative" property.

vtalwar

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:10:07 GMT

That's fair. One thing I forgot about was the Adaptation type, which I believe is being used to model remakes. For those remakes you mentioned that have their own topics and aren't computer game versions, this type could be attached.

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pak21: Sports admins?

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tfmorris

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Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:24:16 GMT

Sure, I'd be happy to help out to the degree that I can.

pak21

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:42:34 GMT

As with Tom, I'm more than happy to help out where I can. I'm not sure I've really got the experience with schema design to be a "lead" on that front, but I note we've got zeusi on board who certainly seems to be doing good stuff there.

skud

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:57:35 GMT

Great! I added you both.

Positive allosteric modulator of AMPA receptors: Merge?

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cheunger

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:39:45 GMT

I don't know enough about this topic, but the alias matches another topic, so I thought I would throw it in the queue, and hopefully someone with more knowledge in this area would be able to comment on this...

Spaceflight: project

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spencermountain

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Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:16:22 GMT

hey, how about including Project focus?

funding etc ...

skud

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:12:22 GMT

Done (belatedly).

Person: Add "Language(s)" for Person

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spencermountain

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Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:51:51 GMT

+100

spencermountain

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Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:54:28 GMT

...and i say no mapping of proficiency yet. either they speak it or they dont. that would be way too much detail....

skud

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What would be the use case for this?  Where would we get data from?  I'm interested in understanding how it would be used.

Transportation: AADT? I think we need some of that on Freebase.

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gmackenz

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:55:35 GMT

I kinda like the node idea, we could add Toll costs (dated property for history of increases?).

sprocketonline

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:02:56 GMT

Thinking more about the "transport node", we could have some sort of connectedness to it, in order to model transport networks:  say, a "connected to" property expecting other "transport node".

It would abstract some of this away from trains/roads etc..  I'm not sure this is totally desirable, but it would be great for modelling multi-mode transport networks. 

robert

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:45:34 GMT

The wikipedia infobox for bridges has only 305 (out of ~1800) infoboxes with any data in the "traffic" attribute, and it seems pretty noisy.  I'm not sure automatic extraction will yield that much.

Roads have properties for linking them to other roads.  One advantage of making these linkages type-specific is that the property names are more self-explanatory.

There is always a trade-off in abstraction -- machine vs. human readability.  In this case, a more abstract schema would make a machine implementation somewhat easier (less conditional code looking across a handful of types) at the expense of data fields that are immediately understandable.

Baseball: Batting stats

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Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:11:35 GMT

I 'd like to add a Batting Statistics property to Baseball Player.  It would be a CVT that shows the season, team, and year. This information will be repeated when we do similar schema for pitching and fielding stats, since we can't nest CVTs. The properties would be of the /baseball/baseball_player_batting_stats type would be:

  • Player- /baseball/baseball_player_batting_stats/player
  • Team- /baseball/baseball_player_batting_stats/team
  • Season- /baseball/baseball_player_batting_stats/season
  • Games- /baseball/baseball_player_batting_stats/games
  • At Bats- /baseball/baseball_player_batting_stats/at_bats
  • Hits - /baseball/baseball_player_batting_stats/hits
  • Run- /baseball/baseball_player_batting_stats/runs
  • Double- /baseball/baseball_player_batting_stats/doubles
  • Triple- /baseball/baseball_player_batting_stats/triples
  • Home Run- /baseball/baseball_player_batting_stats/home_runs
  • Grand Slam - /baseball/baseball_player_batting_stats/grand_slams
  • RBI- /baseball/baseball_player_batting_stats/rbis
  • Base on Balls- /baseball/baseball_player_batting_stats/base_on_balls
  • Intentional Bases on Balls-  /baseball/baseball_player_batting_stats/ibbs
  • Strike Outs- /baseball/baseball_player_batting_stats/strike_outs
  • Sacrifice Hit- /baseball/baseball_player_batting_stats/sacrifice_hits
  • Sacrifice Flies- /baseball/baseball_player_batting_stats/sacrifice_flies
  • Hit by Pitch- /baseball/baseball_player_batting_stats/hit_by_pitch
  • Grounded into Double Play- /baseball/baseball_player_batting_stats/gdp
  • Batting Average- /baseball/baseball_player_batting_stats/batting_average
  • On Base Percentage- /baseball/baseball_player_batting_stats/on_base_pct
  • Slugging Percentage- //baseball/baseball_player_batting_stats/slugging_pct
faye

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Tue, 12 May 2009 18:45:49 GMT

I'd like to request a similar CVT property to be added to Baseball Player for career batting statistics.

skud

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:08:45 GMT

Bump.  Witz?  Can you take a look at this?

Baseball: Need handedness property for pitcher

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Tue, 12 May 2009 18:53:30 GMT

Baseball Player has a property "Bats" to capture a player's batting handedness. I'd like to request a new property for capturing a player's pitching handedness as well. For exmaple, Ted Williams batted with his left hand and pitched with his right.

skud

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:08:12 GMT

Bump.  Witz?

Chex: Split

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:38:27 GMT

This topic seems to be about the product line "Chex", which comprises the various Wheat Chex, Rice Chex, etc. brands.  The brand and breakfast cereal types should be split off to whichever brand of Chex the nutritional data is actually for (I'm guessing Corn Chex, since it contains maize).

Movimento das Forças Armadas: movimento_das_forcas_armadas

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dsinclair

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:17:54 GMT

I didn't want to use "Political Party" which it is not. Any better suggestions ??

jeff: patterns in schemas

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Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:32:01 GMT

Note that I didn't make up these distinctions, so I accept no credit or blame for them. :)

Re phylogeny vs. parent-child: it does seem to fall into abstract vs. concrete, doesn't it?  I think there is a logical difference between the relationship of a partent to a child and a genus to a species, however: a genus is a category that comprises one or more species; a parent is not a category, and does not comprise any children. To take this away from people, the "spin-off/spun off from" properties of Company are a parent/child pattern, but the "parent company/subsidiary companies" properties are a phylogeny (although in this case, a date-mediated one).

Note that species are also proper subsets of genuses, so I don't think that that can be the distinguishing factor between phylogeny and containment.

Properties linking two different types are an interesting point: these can follow the same semantic patterns as any of the ones listed above, but are inherently limited in number of steps, rather than open-ended, which is what we've largely been discussing here.  (So Adaptation/Adapted Work is a parent/child relationship; Country/Administrative Division is containment; etc.)

sprocketonline

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Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:10:54 GMT

properties of two different types -> I've tweaked the phylogeny, parent/child and containment types so they can have 2 different types (one for the parent type, and one for the child type).  If a type is self-reciprocating, the same type would appear in both properties.

phylogeny vs parent/child ->  Agreed phylogeny is for abstract categories, parent/child for the concrete.  both super & sub* of a phylogeny are abstract categories/sets.

 phylogeny and containment ->  if phylogeny is for abstract categories which can contain other abstract categories, then containment is for the concrete/physical which can contain other concrete/physical?  e.g. location/location or building complex/building.

* BTW I'm using super/sub in place of parent/child as a way of differentiating when speaking about phylogeny.

sprocketonline

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:31:00 GMT

As the properties on phylogeny, parent/child and containment are now all the same (parent type, parent->child property, child type, child->parent property); I'm tempted to normalise and just have one type for all three patterns, but include an additional property called "pattern variation".

This property would allow for differentiation between the patterns by selecting phylogeny, parent/child or containment from an enumeration.

Tank Girl: split

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avh

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:22:07 GMT

This topics should be split into a fictional character and a film.